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. >> in the next debate and the vice presidential debate, when mitt romney or paul ryan is saying something that is not true. they need to call it out. that is not true. you do have a $5 trillion tax cut in your plans. you're not going to cover people's pre-existing conditions in your healthcare plan. you need to say it then and not rely on fax checkers the next day. >> eliot: you can't wait for the story the next day. ryan zerlina is right. you cannot depend upon that. how does the president need to do that,e vince this power and passion and sense of purpose that so clearly was missing. >> i think people want to see that he wants the job. that he wants to fight for them. if you look at it this way if somebody is looking at somebody who won't even stand up for themselves, then what are the chances they're thinking that this person is going to stand up for me? when you're watching obama in this debate you can finally see why it is that he was getting rolled day in and day out by the republicans on capitol hill. you can say hey man that is a guy i would like to be negotiating with. >> eliot:
. >> in the next debate and the vice presidential debate, when mitt romney or paul ryan is saying something that is not true. they need to call it out. that is not true. you do have a $5 trillion tax cut in your plans. you're not going to cover people's pre-existing conditions in your healthcare plan. you need to say it then and not rely on fax checkers the next day. >> eliot: you can't wait for the story the next day. ryan zerlina is right. you cannot depend upon that. how does the...
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because the poll advertise that romney/ryan would put in place would be really detrimental. they are the party of todd akin and the legitimate rape natural body rejection -- it's absurd. >> stephanie: yeah, again, i read the polling earlier, a lot of it is a little bit all over the place. clearly it is tight and the debate did not help, but this is one they are talking about party id, because it is out of whack with all of the other ones. >> yeah i do think what happened was maybe they went in and polled a bunch of people in the days after the debate and the new jobs numbers came out and that pushes it back into the president's favor a little bit. we have so many polls, and it's really difficult day-to-day to tell what is the most trustworthy, and what isn't. and if you take a look at some of the swing state polls, and where the president is consistently leading and demographics, it just doesn't seem like this one poll -- it just doesn't make sense. >> stephanie: do you think the president is going to have a chance to correct all of these -- there's no other way to say it --
because the poll advertise that romney/ryan would put in place would be really detrimental. they are the party of todd akin and the legitimate rape natural body rejection -- it's absurd. >> stephanie: yeah, again, i read the polling earlier, a lot of it is a little bit all over the place. clearly it is tight and the debate did not help, but this is one they are talking about party id, because it is out of whack with all of the other ones. >> yeah i do think what happened was maybe...
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mitt romney said he would of course support the ryan budget. now he is saying that is not my budget, that is his budget but he would sign it if it came to his desk. but the point is to criticize cuts that your running mate, the person you think is best qualified to step in for you, also endorsed along with the bulk of the republican conference, you know is a little bit disenagainous. >> bill: on the issue of tax cuts it is $4.8 trillion but he said it is not going to add to the deficit, because he will offset that loss in revenue by closing tax loopholes. he hasn't identified which loopholes he would close or which programs he would cut other than pbs. >> right. >> bill: big bird. here we go right. substantial savings? >> well of course not. as we know it's actually less than .01 of 1%. and it's funny how these debates shake out. i think if you look at the polls, mitt romney at least in the immediate aftermath has gotten a bump. he has improved his standings from where he was. but one of the things that -- that i have noticed as an observer of
mitt romney said he would of course support the ryan budget. now he is saying that is not my budget, that is his budget but he would sign it if it came to his desk. but the point is to criticize cuts that your running mate, the person you think is best qualified to step in for you, also endorsed along with the bulk of the republican conference, you know is a little bit disenagainous. >> bill: on the issue of tax cuts it is $4.8 trillion but he said it is not going to add to the deficit,...
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paul ryan said that the terrorists would be afraid of us if we spent more money. >> there is another angle to this, the game change would have been, if governor romney had gone to the true conservative position where he said, i want to get out of afghanistan earlier. if he becomes president the military is not going to want a long-term counter insurgency in afghanistan. the country wants us out and the president can do more to get us out quicker. other than that it's complete pandering to the neo-cons. >> eliot: afghanistan, iran, syria, mitt romney is 0-for-3 good rhetoric, zero in substance. let's talk about libya which has been the hot spot with the horror of the bengahzi consulate. this has been the biggest problem for the white house where you have the strategy. >> yes. >> eliot: it seems at a political level mitt romney is capitalizing on what appears to be a moment of weakness by the administration, but is not libya in essence a success story. >> yes, it's difficult for romney to talk about. he says today we're still in a battle between the tyrants and the democrats. that's no
paul ryan said that the terrorists would be afraid of us if we spent more money. >> there is another angle to this, the game change would have been, if governor romney had gone to the true conservative position where he said, i want to get out of afghanistan earlier. if he becomes president the military is not going to want a long-term counter insurgency in afghanistan. the country wants us out and the president can do more to get us out quicker. other than that it's complete pandering to...